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Author Topic: scotland the brave or just scotland the cold .  (Read 2174 times)
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« on: December 30, 2008, 03:19:32 AM »

 On my recent trip to scotland ,fiona and i was able to get the feel of a truely remarkable country .
The landscapes ,the history, the highlands but the one thing that stayed in your bones was the cold .
Now its cold  in many places ,i know ,but in scotland ,its different ,its like an enduring cold every house ,hotel,b and b was bloody freezing ,of course on entry ,they would put a heater on but just in your room , the time of year we thought you must expect it to be cold ,but being ignorant of the geography and visiting many cold places such as norway ,finland even russia in the summer it can get very warm ,but when we enquired about the summer ,around some of the most enviarible beach locations , the answer no matter where you were in the country was , oh on the good days it hits 20 and when it is totally  hottest day of the year stuff ,its low 20,s but its refreshing in the water get to 15 or 16 in the summer ,great for swimming !
One has to hold one's tongue when you want to snap out "for polar bears maybe"as they are so serious .
I ponder this as i wait for the car ferry , its -7 not a cloud in the sky ,and at the end of the pier a what looks like a seamonster emerges from the deep ,yes in a wetsuit , but without anything covering his face except his goggles .
"we are repairing  some broken bolts holding the cement in place ", as i try to understand  him , i say try as i cant understand any body thats male talking english to me , believe me people ,bella does not talk scottish , however after some time ,i just got to ask him how he does this for a living ? i loooooooooooooov the water son, loooooooooooov it , but isnt it cold ? arent you for ever  freezing?
yes ,but i am a scot .
Now there was an answer that helped me while away the time on the boat , as i got the same one at bellas wedding , from bellas old coach when she first started triathlon , a rugged guy from aberdeen ,
been a around the world and some but he was telling me of his sea kayaking adventure , with his wife
and a group ,last month  "25miles of open water  paddling between islands , we camp over nite , and its a great time ,you should try it " try it ,i nearly fainted trying to contemplate it ,evry paddle stroke dripping north sea winter water on you for 25 miles . try it?i could not comprehend it .Isnt it cold ,was the same stupid question i put to him ,and he said , but , i am a scot !
Now strait away ,he switched the subject to the 3rd example ,meet my friend also at the table , now this guy ,is a true champion for us in aberdeen area , helps out with all the triathlons , sponsors what ever he can in the local area and when we were having trouble he built us a pool , you should come and see it .
So, again , i naturally lead in with , thats fantastic , how big is the pool 25 m or 50 , he said quite proudly well more like 1500 by 800, i said 1500 what ? he said yards close to a mile , my new little friend next to me said  eye , we held our last 2 races in it . Fantastic set up , all the locals swim in it every day in summer , and again , i fell for it again , isnt it a bit too cold , the builder who was a rugged looking man and proud of his pool said "nooooooooooooooo  nooooooooooooooooooooooot at allllllllllllllllllll its 15 or 16c  you dont even need a wet suit , again i said most would consider that freezing , and i got the magic answer again
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, laddie ,i am near 50 and look 60, so that tells you his age when i am a laddie ," i am a scot "!
The fourth example ,well its 2 examples , the first i dissmissed as a complete nut job , you know the type, every villiage has one .
but on the way to bellas wedding , we are in the car and its pretty foggy ,fiona and i laugh about
its only -5 on the outside , till she screams watch the bike rider !
Here was this guy  bald , no hat , cap ,beenie , nothing  on his head riding along in a pair of football shorts , now not your today football shorts but the 1970 pair , wear if he gets too on one side his
tackle will fall out of its box , the smallest pair of shorts i have seen but in his defence , he wore a long sleeve shirt , no, no jumper or coat .
We  thought you have got to be kidding and as i said just thought  , he didnt quite have the full loaf , missing a few slices , i looked over to fiona , and said , once its below about 2 you really cant ride the wind chill factors kills you , famous last words , as on sunday , we are travelling to see where william wallace , defeated the english for a great victory , problem was ,the fog was in and -7c so we were not going to see much of anything , but what we did see was nearly as heroic or stupid , which ever you may
think but out of the mist come the sunday bike pack , just like every other country in the world ,
must have been 15 of them all togged up on their road bikes , we rechecked on the towns weather light and yep it said -8 .
i was gob smacked , fiona who doesnt miss a chance , said well it seems your 2c theory has just got blown out the water  supa coach, thank you dear .
i caught up to one at the lights , he must have been 65 with snot and crap every where ,i even thought i seen some ice on his moustache , sir " isnt too cold to be out riding "? nooooooooooooooo its bracing soooooooooony , keeps me young !
'can you actually feel the pedals when your riding or are you totally frozen and cant handle the brakes "
soooooooooony , there is no wind today , iam not going to tell you its pleasant ,but  i am a scot !
Got me again ,  i am a scot ,seems the catch cry .
My mind just kept racing whats it mean   ?, why are they so proud to be cold ?
that nite , we watched a billy connolly special , the big yin  is more a philosopher than a comedian ,
its just he observes people , and normal people are always funny .
To my  great relief , he went into his spiel and said , you know i often think why are the scottish so different , than the rest i see in my travels .
He paused , as good comedians do , and then says i think its got something to do with  all of us being concieved  while fully dressed .
The big yin , may have a point , all i know , is when i walked around  stirling castle  freezing my nuts off listening, to our very imformative , guide wearing no gloves  and a cardigan , and saying how cold it was ,
imagine , in wallaces day , what it was like , preparing for battle days in advance in weather like this ,
My little mind kept slipping into wonderment of whether  the scots are brave , and all i have meet are most certainly are , because of their constant battle with the cold , or because  they are very angry  because they were always cold ?
Another of lifes little ponderments .
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 04:59:44 AM »

Haha... That is a classic!! Good ole Scot's.. I will be sure to take a couple of thermo's when I visit.. Thanks for the heads up Doc! A good read indeed..
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 05:56:00 AM »

lol - ah the scots!

I went to university in edinburgh and used to go surfing in the north sea just down the coast, I have been in there in the winter when there is snow on the beach, but while I was wearing 5mm wetsuit, gloves and booties lasting 20-25 mins before piling back into the car with the heater on full the locals would be out for 2-3 hour sessions, sometimes without gloves or boots - insane/very hard!

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2008, 06:02:27 AM »

i can tell you when i seen bella in her wedding dress getting the pictures in minus 5 and not a goose bump in site
i thought the same insane /or very hard .
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2008, 06:27:53 AM »

nooooooooooooo,  nooooooooooo, was'nt cold at allllll
..i am a Scot!   Cheesy


Boss, you should have gone to visit my parents at their house!  You would have got a real experience of a freezing house, freezing bed room, ..but you would have got a heater in your bed room and even an electric blanket!!
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 06:43:18 AM »

Hey doc, that brings back memories. I grew up there, but on the West coast, where it's a bit warmer and hardly ever snows (big exception:1963). The winters are so mild they actually grow palm trees there (I'm not joking). My Dad & I used to go skiing - weekends in Glencoe (usually), sometimes Glenshee, longer holidays in the Cairngorms. We were always complaining about how little snow there was - snow line would usually be about 2,500ft, which meant no more than about 1,200ft max vertical decent, about 1 or 2 mins downhill skiing only. I gather nowadays, with global warming, it's even worse and the ski industry there is having a hard time.

Trouble is, although the winter temps are mild compared with other places, it FEELS f***ing cold. That's because it's usually raining, no sun, and always, always windy. There is nothing worse than rain and wind combined with temps just a few degrees above 0C, the rain will penetrate your clothing and will suck the body heat out of you in a matter of minutes. Much more deadly than temps of -20C or -30C with sun and no wind.

They had concrete lampposts where I grew up. Every time I went back home for Christmas/New Year, it was so wet it felt that you could wrap your hands around the lampposts and wring the water out of them. And something that used to drive my Dad nuts: the Scots seem to have an amazing ability to do really stupid things, like building houses with NO insulation, well it's tradition, save money on the construction costs, blah  blah - even if the extra cost is less than you'd save on a year's fuel bills. Then they build a chairlift for skiers on Cairngorm, next to the "White Lady" run. Now there are several different types of ski lift that you can build, but the main characteristic of chairlifts is that they are sensitive to wind, and you'd think they'd know, being Scots, that's there's a lot of f***ing wind in Scotland, but no, a chairlift they build. Some clever dick put an anemometer on top of the highest pylon on the chairlift, and guess what, it recorded the wind speed record for the UK. They go and build a chairlift right in the place that holds the wind speed record!

Or swimming in the sea. Now I can't swim - result of the atrocious job my Dad did trying to teach me, I have a tremendous fear of water, I sink in swimming pools - I float in sea water, but only just. Anyway, we had a lovely beautiful beach, long broad and sandy (lots of stinking seaweed in the winter/spring, but the local farmers collect it for fertiliser, and it's clear in summer). Beautiful view over to the mountains of Arran. Anyway in late August/early September the Gulf Stream/North Atlantic Drift brings the warm water from the Gulf of Mexico, mind you it cools down a bit on the way. Wait for a nice sunny day, one when the sun warms the beach all day and then the incoming tide picks up the heat from the sand, then the sea temp can get up to 72F or even 75F - but only the top 6 inches, go beneath that and it's f***ing cold again.

I should also mention that we were an English family,  so outsiders (soft Southern jessies!) living in Scotland.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 07:44:09 AM »

good note.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2008, 08:25:11 AM »

You know how cold it was the week you were traveling around Scotland.   Guess what Bella's dad was doing that week? 

Building a roof all day!  He then comes home and in the pitch dark goes and gets the hourses in at 8 at night.

I asked him the same, is it not cold?  He said no, not with this big beard!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2008, 08:47:01 AM »

I recognize all in this thread. And I was in Scotland for only 3 weeks.

Scotts are most crazy in the cold. I know winter but I have clothes on that are suited for winter. Scots have cold terrible weather, and they only own summer clothes.

I was once in Scotland and I joined a few Scots and some "mainland Europeans" to a bar to drink a beer outside. It was most amazing cause it was early april and 15 degrees with sun and no wind. But by the time we made it to the bar it was foggy, windy and only 6 degrees. Me and a finnish (!!!)guy put on all clothes we had, gloves and a hat included and still feeling cold. The scotts drank the cold beer in a t-shirt. Not even shivering.

I also met a triathlete who swam in the north sea from february on. I don't know why he stopped in november. Maybe the open water race season ens in november in scotland and he still needed a bit of off season training?
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 08:46:09 AM »

Lovely report Doc! Makes me want to go there just to check out the oddities! I was going to suggest that perhaps the Scots are the experts in thermal clothing manufacture, but on second thoughts, it seems that they don't need anything of the sorts! So next time I am "freezing" at a temperature of +15 degrees c, I will convince myself that it is indeed a hot summer's day in Scotland....
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