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« on: May 02, 2009, 07:29:50 PM » |
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Hello, I am a long time lurker and have finally plucked up the courage to ask my question.
I've done 3 half IM's and 3 IM's and every time I get on to the run I get pins and needles. I get them when I run off a long bike ride too and I find it "frustrating"! Can anyone suggest anything I can do?
- On my bike, my feet feel fine. They don't feel squashed in my shoes in anyway.
- When I run, I wear some pretty minimal shoes. I land on my forefoot and run with a high cadence (93+ on easy runs going to over 100 when I get quicker). If I just do a run, I don't get pins and needles no matter what the distance.
- After a short bike ride I don't get pins and needles when I run (e.g. in an olympic distance race).
- After my long bike rides it takes me 15 to 20 minutes to feel (nearly) normal with my running. Up to then I still run with a high cadence and it feels like I am running slower than I actually am. After 30 minutes, I start to feel the pins and needles though. They come on in both feet at about the same time. If I'm just running 40 minutes off the bike, I can just run with them. I have tried running through it in a HIM but my feet eventually felt very numb and it didn't feel good at all. In the other HIM's, IM's I have had to take my shoes off and massage my feet. Once I did that, the pins and needles disappeared.
- I am 73kg so have a normal BMI
Thanks
Mark
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BellaBayliss
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 10:41:48 PM » |
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hi Mark
I just read your post, I am not sure what to suggest, but was just going to say, your not alone.
This is also something I get, but usually after 15km in an Ironman it has gone. I just have to work with it. yes, it is frustrating! I just thought it is all part of pains of what we do!
Bella
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Sugar
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2009, 06:02:14 AM » |
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get it checked out by a Dr. description of 'pines and needles' could be a neuroma/piched nerve in your feet. i would say your cycling shoes are too tight and even maybe your running shoes.
no one should be experiencing 'pines and needles' while running.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2009, 08:08:16 AM » |
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Tight bike shoes sounds like a common problem, especially for bikers coming over into tri. We're not used to running right after the ride, and it seems for bikers, the snugger the shoe the better.
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Amanda
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2009, 08:57:00 AM » |
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My bike shoes are my usual size, but when you take them off after a long ride feet can swell. I have found compression socks (worn on the bike too) and running shoes 1 size bigger than my normal shoe size to be the answer.
This works for me, but your problems may be something else althogether, so I am not advising that this is necessarily the way to go. Maybe food for thought though.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2009, 08:58:56 AM » |
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it is coming from the bike shoes or the shoe set up
try putting your cleats further back .
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Amanda
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2009, 09:01:25 AM » |
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Just for learning something new about bike setups - what does that do/mean doc??
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doc
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2009, 11:12:33 AM » |
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changes the angle of the pressure being placed thru the ball of the foot .
if the cleats or bottom of the shoe brackets , that attch to the pedals are too far foreward then there is a chance that it places pressure on the nerves that run down into the toes ,
over a short dis , not so much problem
but 90 to 180km ride can have the effect of deadoning the front of the foot for run , hence the pins and needles , as bella said your not robinson crusoe , this happens to many .
getting people to take the cleats back towards the heal , has fixed this many a time , in my experience .
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Tigger
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2009, 01:10:33 PM » |
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Thanks Bella. I didn't realise that this happened to the superstars too. I'll know have even more respect for you when you run past me in Lanza in a couple of weeks!
Doc, I like the idea of moving my cleats back. How far should I try, half a centimetre? I have one more long bike/run to test this out before Lanza and so I would love to get this sorted. However, I don't want to risk changing the cleats too much in case I find out it hurts my knees or something on the bike.
Sugar, I'll make sure I do the straps on my bike shoes up loosely and see what happens. I don't think it is worth going to see my GP. First, I think he'll say I am mad doing this much exercise. Secondly, if it is one of these things (from looking at Google) I can't see what simple "cure" that he'd be able to give me, especially as stopping to massage my feet seems to work.
Amanda, I have found running with compression socks hurts my calves - but this is based on a single run. My running shoes are pretty cheap so I will see if I can get another pair one size bigger for use after long rides. I don't think I have enough time to get comfortable with larger bike shoes or running shoes before Lanza.
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2009, 08:09:51 AM » |
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a gp would not know what you were talking about .
tigger your stuffed now , so forget worrying about the knees
wont hurt the knees at all side angle worries the knees .
just get em back , i was worried you would say i cant they are right back now .
so thats good news
toe pedalling is for the , ,well not even the cyclists
so get em back and lets see if that helps .
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