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« on: December 22, 2009, 09:22:51 AM » |
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Hello folks,
I've been a long time lurker and really appreciate all the advice and comments that come from this forum..
My question has to do with the corelation (if any) between a persons natural athletic talents (coordination) and thier ability to put together a decent freestyle stroke.
Will a clutz (RE: me) or someone with no real coordination, ever have any hope of becoming a "swimmer" and not just a triathlete who can swim.
I'm not concerned with fitness or strength.....just ones ability to put all the moving parts together that make up a fluid and efficient stroke.
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Keegan Williams - "kiwiman"
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 12:01:19 PM » |
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whats your definition of swimmer?
You dont need a pretty looking stroke to swim fast, Cameron Watt is probably the best example i can think of, his stroke looks horrible, but he kills nearly everyone in the water
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Tereza Macel - "TMac"
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 01:27:21 PM » |
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Hi, I think think talent can be tricky to identify sometimes, but it should not stop you from doing something. You always hear stories of people who were told by swim coaches to pack it in, that they would never make it, and they end up on Olympic teams. As for coordination, when I was young on our swim team we had to play soccer, and basketball sometimes as part of cross training. It was the scariest thing ever, I have never seen so many uncoordinated, but competitive people in one place. Don't give a swimmer a task that requires a ball.  |
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Alvin.W
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 09:52:02 PM » |
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doc
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 01:39:11 AM » |
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thank you boys,
i think that will help no end
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ron_gierut
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 06:22:46 AM » |
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"to average skilled swimmers
forget technique , teach movement , and then repeat , repeat repeat .
movement will take you foreward
technique will take average joe down"
Talk about a womp on the side of the head...thanks doc, I needed that!
Sometimes I lose sight of what's important...
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« Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 06:25:57 AM by ron_gierut »
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javaman
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 11:10:44 AM » |
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Good catch, Alvin! I remembered when Doc was talking about Stephen's technique...of course, I was about 8k from the house and in traffic, so it didn't do me a bit of good at that moment. (I LOVE T-Mac's comment...how true!  ) |
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Four Types of People:
Glass Half Full.
Glass Half Empty.
Drinks From Other's Glasses.
Drinks from Tap.
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doc
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 10:15:17 PM » |
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t- mac
that is so true
every friday afternoon with one of my swim teams we used to do a rugby match at 4pm one hour before training .
the parents were terrified , but as i took up the job , all the kids was from the richest neibour hood in sydney thus australia .
so instead of weights i thought once a week ,girls included my top team would play no holds barred rugby
to tuffen em up .
we trained out of a uni and there was a 1/2 field right next to the pool that the uni guys would hang out it bordered by beatuful trees
its a sort of game like amreican foot ball but no pads .
well you talk about a ball and no co ordintaion ,
same for aussie kids , bloody hopeless could catch mis timed tackles it was hillarious
but it didnt take long to get fierce .
all teAM mates who had greviances from the pool training that week would line up and belt hell out of each other .
and of course a young less mellow doc encouraged it .
well the game was so hillarious and vicious at the same time ,that it spread around the uni that the young swim team between 13 qand 17 yrs of age were killing each other in the park at 4 .
i kid you not we would pull a crowd some times 6 or 700 student s
whoopen and holleren when one of suttos ironchicks hammered one of the boys , and you were a very
voilent lot as if one slowed down on of the boys three other girls were over there to help her give him a real going over .
there was torn shirts blood , and as you said ,one of the most competitive games if
unco ordinted to the point of a comic relief for an hour .
about 5 of the 20 went on to become national champions and the team took out the natonal champions
it was there i learned rich kids , could be taught to htfu
we did it every friday , and none would ever miss fri practice .
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Tereza Macel - "TMac"
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2009, 10:42:47 AM » |
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And they say waterpolo is a rough game. Swimmers playing rugby must have been a sensational massacre |
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doc
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2009, 12:28:55 PM » |
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and didnt they love it when coach ,
went on
to the team getting beat , h e had 12 pro fights but none were as big as bashing he got the last 30 min
every friday at uni of nsw field .
dont them students love to unload on coach for the 80 or so km they done each week
not forgeting the weigh in runners
on mon wed fri morning before practice
but thats another story
oh i was a very nasty bit of coach back then
not the cuddly feel good thing he is now .
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DamienC
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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2009, 01:28:59 AM » |
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Just out of curiosity, was Loretta Harrop in that group by any chance?  |
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It's true that speed kills - it kills all those that don't have it!
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doc
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 12:19:45 AM » |
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not this group , no ,
this was when i was still in nsw
but loretta did partake in my 3 times a week boxing classes for
soft triathletes ,
when i first strated in the sport
and i can tell you , after the first 2 weeks ,
the only guy that would put the gloves on with her was me .
of course ben bright woud also
but he liked her too much .
she terrified most of the others whos name will remain anonnamus due to the embaressment it might cause .
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