Periodisation

[ejchet]

My favorite is rest weeks....uhh just gotta get through this week of training and then I have rest. Never mind I am shit all week and that I will need waaay to long to recover..just need to stick to that 10 percent rule and magic will happen....or not!

Anyone who needs to open a book to know when to rest is off track!

Anyone who needs to open a book to learn that one must train hard is also off track!

But again..what do I know 

You hit the nail on the head!

Some people I believe associate "periodization" with a "rest week every four weeks" because of Friel/Bompa, this type of training cycles seem to work for bodybuilding but that isn't the definition of periodization.
   
I totally agree, rest weeks !@#$ if you put a rest week every four weeks that's 13 weeks out of the year or 25% of your training.

Why blast yourself for 3 weeks and take a week easy?  Why not train every week with more consistent volume(time) and moderate intensity based on recovery needs?

I'm not saying there isn't a need for a couple/few recovery days, your body will let you know, do this long enough you know when you are on edge, if not your family will let you know :-)   This can change on a day to day basis, not a scheduled every four weeks, this is where you listen to your coach and your body.

If you toast your legs with run/bike why not ease back on the run/bike for two days and do 10k of swimming over the next two days and do a easy bike or run on each day to aid recovery?

Lydiard was big on doing out and back runs based on time, and if you were slower coming back then you went out to hard.  His training methodology was self regulating day to day, listen to your body and run every day with three long runs a week.

Stress your body ... allow it to recover ... repeat

Eric

[jook]

Jis I agree and I think so would the Tbbs.

Problem with them books is that they are much easier to read and reading and understanding than the body. So soom seem to come but with clever stories because they fail to understand a simple thing!

Personally I never improved so much after cutting things down to a couple of rules in training and then go by them.
Most important is; never tried yourself more than a couple of days of rest and you are good to go again..this is my periodisation..i guess it would have to sound much more complicated for people to buy into

Every time I hear someone comment on what people with sucess does wrong I cannot help but to laugh! I hear so often that atletes of tbb do this and dat wrong yet they are winning races.

This forum is great..made me confident things are entirely what they appear to be!

[Keith Watson]

It's called living simple in an otherwise complicated world...

It is human nature to mock what we don't understand. If we use our ears twice as often as we use our mouth, we have twice as many opportunities to learn something that we would not have to mock. 

Welcome to the forum Jook!

[doc]

the friel bompa method
comes with the clarification
DONT LOOK AT THE RESULTS SHEET ,
cause your doin it right , so no results doesnt matter .

[Keegan Williams - "kiwiman"]

Tommorow I get the chance to meet for of Lydiards orignal men, Barry Magee, the olympic bronze medialist

I am actually a bit nervous, like the first time I met Coach Sutton

So if any one has any questions, let me know, and I will get the real answer

I am looking forward to some hard-man stories

[Matthieu O’Halloran - "M@"]

Hey Keegs I dare you to ask:

"So, at the Olympics, if you would have worn Newton shoes with compression sock, you think you would have won the gold medal?"

[doc]

great runner
an origional hard arse .

[jook]

Could be intresting to know if considers himself a hard ass or that he became hard by training smart (simple).

Personally I have an idea that many today are just as hard - nature of man does not change that fast but focus might in wrong place?

I would like to know if he ever took more than 2 weeks off hard training year round and difference in workload over the year?

That would be intesting..thanks!

[doc]

people have got softer on the whole ,
but the people who would like to be great , are stil there , but the expert advise they get , is so different .

[Keegan Williams - "kiwiman"]

people have got softer on the whole ,
but the people who would like to be great , are stil there , but the expert advise they get , is so different .

Just met Mr Magee, thats definetly the impression he gives, the talent has never changed, it can be found anywhere just the methods and advice now is wrong in a lot of cases.

For example a solid weekend training now might be considered a 10k race on saturday and a 30k run on sunday, Barry would do a 35k waitakas run on sat, then 16k moderate sunday morning, then the afternoon 20x400 on 65sec, so 40k total vs 75k difference just in the milege............

I asked about the time off after the season, and Lydiard used to say the body dosent need a rest, but the head does, 2 weeks is all you need to rest the head, but you are allowed to jog
The workload obviously changed throughout the year, but he did say when doing speed work they soon learnt they had to do a morning run to keep the condition on, otherwise they would loose to much stamina
They would also race alot, after 3 weeks of conditioning they would start cross country races on saturdays, so bascially all year around, but the cross country isnt as anaerobic in nature as the courses in NZ are very tough, so the legs would give out first

Lots of good stories and tips

 

[Alfalfa]

Man, I just love reading Lydiard stuff... and this one coming straight from Barry Magee...

In fact, I have lots of books by Lydiard (from Amazon.com), including a book written by a student of a student of Lydiard (Keith Livingstone). Good stuff.

[jook]

Intresting but not new

However I find that Lydiard is often misunderstood..this tthing that some thing he said long and slow..from what I understand he uses the defination that the training sould be of 70-100 percent of what he called max aerobic pace..so for a 33 min 10 km runner that means that slow runs are 4.25-3.35 pr km in this area is where training should be done..I think many triathetes will consider the higher end of the pace fast and that might be the problem..the perception of speed..if you only do soft stuff, easy becomes hard and hard becomes impossible.

Am I correct about my understanding of pace guidelines?

Also this would mean for many triathletes that take home message is that training and adaption happens when you work at  a solid pace to a harder pace..not touristing around the road.

Any thoughts?

[Keegan Williams - "kiwiman"]

Was not long and slow, Will give you one example that Barry gave me.


In the conditioning buildup on a Thursday he would run 30k at 1/4 pace, at the start of the 10weeks it would be around a 2hr05min but come the end of the 10week conditioning phase it would be down to 1hr50min. Same intensity all the way through.
1/4 pace was the slowest they ran otherwise it was called jogging, and that didnt count in the required 100mile per week that Lydiard had them doing

And just remember that the courses they where running were NOT flat, there is hardly a flat section of road in Auckland so you can probably take 15sec/k of those times to convert to a flat course