70.3 Vegas

[Sugar]

doesn't look like an team pros will be there 

any age groupers?

[Keith Watson]

Hey Joey, I just sent you a note.

[doc]

this race is the world championship
 of a brand that has exploded
to celebrate it
we will pay the pros $ 2 .50
friend its an embarressment for the company
lets hope the new ceo  , does not fall for the
we dont need the pros  or its a niche  sport
bullshit .
 i am just hanging so much hope on mr messik  to bring  us into  the real world  of sports marketing ,
and explode the brand by  using its pros  to market  istself  to the masses .

we have a world class sport , and a monster brand , being handled by minnows   up to now .
lets hope
thats all about to change .

and if you amrecians   need  some  clarity
the winning prizemoney  is about the same  as an ordinary challenge race in europe for the win .
boys  they are kidding .

[Matthieu O’Halloran - "M@"]

Hey to make it worst, the athletes will only see ever 70% of the advertized prize money.
Because they take 30% tax.
And dont even go race in Australia is your not Ozzie your-self, they take like 50% from foreigners 

Unless you go and create your own little company under your name!
Where you need to generate lots of receits/papers.
Which can be a pain staking process at first if you dont know that process.
Or just hire somebody to get back a few k's...

[BrianShea]

Doc/Matt,

The problem is that when you have literally 100's of pros clamoring for these World Championship slots, WTC has no incentive to boost the purse. I would venture to guess that if WTC cut the purse in 1/2 at Vegas, the field would be nearly identical & the reason is that (I believe) most pros aren't doing it for the $....they often say one thing, but actions show otherwise.

Case in point....below is the prize money breakdown for (3) big events in the States, all on Sunday:

Rev3   ||   70.3 Vegas   ||   IM Wisconsin)
$100,000 ||   $100,000*      ||   $25,000
*This was bumped up $10K literally just this week.

1.  $16,000  ||  $15,000  ||  $4,500
2.  $11,500  ||  $11,000  ||  $3,000
3.  $7,000   ||  $8,000  ||  $2,000
4.  $5,000   ||  $5,000  ||  $1,500
5.  $3,750   ||  $3,500  ||  $1,000
6.  $2,750   ||  $2,500  ||  $500
7.  $1,750   ||  $2,000  ||  $0
8.  $1,000   ||  $1,500  ||  $0
9.  $750     ||  $1,000  ||  $0
10. $500   ||   $500  ||  $0

So for all those pros who are moaning that there's not enough prize $$, how many of them are in Cedar Point vs Wisconsin? Of course some of those in Wisconsin will say they're doing it to get points for Kona 2012. Of that group, how many of them have a LEGITIMATE shot at placing top 10 in Kona b/c 11th place pays the same as 1500th place.

How many of those racing in LV have a LEGITIMATE shot of coming home on the $+ side or at break-even?

Just this morning I received the current BIB assignments for Rev3 & there are now 17 male & 11 female pros. So as of right now, of those 28 pros, 20 of them are going to get paid an AVERAGE of $5,000 each. The AVERAGE is more than the WINNER will receive in Wisconsin!

Would I like to see the true professionals of the sport, compensated for their dedication? Absolutely. With that, I'd also like to see the pros step up to the plate & walk-the-walk & actually race the events that are offering them the opportunity to earn a living....assuming they're racing pro to earn a living.

Obviously this is hardly directed at Team TBB....I'll be sure to do my share this weekend & make sure my roommate Brandon is tended to & ready to roll come Sunday morning

[doc]

 just depressing me more
looking at that
500 us  for 10th in a world championship .
i got to stop thinking on it

[jodie]

take 30 % off for tax boss......so 350....congrats on being 10th in the world

[Sugar]

sorry i posted this doc...

i was just seeing if there were any other age grouper racing...


but on the pro thing...

say you placed top 3 at worlds...i'm just assuming... with sponsorship bonuses you would make more than at rev3? do sponsors see more value at a 'world championship' than at 'regional' races? 

[Matthieu O’Halloran - "M@"]

Hey sugar about the pro thing.

A good sponsor will give bonus insentive for a 1st place.
Some I heard it was more than a 1st place prize purse of many WTC races.

Not many sponsors will give bonuse insentive for podiums.
Well maybe an official world champs podium they should.

Also hear of many pro-triathletes getting sponsors bonuses for all sorts.
Fastest swim/bike or  run, leading into T2 orcourse record and stuff like that.
In a way to get some sort of bragging-rights or time at the very-front-of-the-race-exposure.

So if you got lets say 5 sponsors that pay something for a 1st or podium.
Plus some meager prize money makes it descend financial return...

[doc]

boys
we splitting hairs
on being totally nickel and dimed
mr messik comes from a sport
that 49% of revenue  goes to the pros
do the math
what pros get in triathlon
but before i get the but our sport is different ,
you better believe it .
in the other they know to unlock the value in the brand , you have to pay the best .
then your sport is seen as world class .
at present
we are presented  as  table tennis on wheels
nobody sees the value , to date
oh lets put another race on  and get another
1000  lots of 750 dollars
arent we clever , wow we just made another 1/2  a mil  pure profit
wow arent we clever ?
nickal dime people nickel and dime .
if i had the money or the backers , i would buy it in a heart beat , and change the whole concept .
less races not more , 1/2 the entry  fees ,
and create 5 times the revenue to start with .
i got to stop thinking as it is really depressing me .

[DamienC]

The biggest problem, from a Joe Public point of view, is that there is no drama in triathlon, esp not in Ironman.  Without drama, there is no interest.  Take a look at the Tour de France: before Lance, the US viewed it as a quirky cycling race around France.  Suddenly Lance comes along, this "regular American who beat cancer to race again", and he wins.  Joe Public couldn't give a toss about the race itself, they were held by the theatre, the drama of the characters and what was happening between these people.  It took the big rivalries to keep them interested in the day to day racing, and that was what carried it.  Now that that drama is missing, the public in the US is tuning back to their regular viewing.  And to support Doc's view of less races, let me ask this: who won the Vuelta and Giro last year?  "Who cares," says Joe Public, "the Tour is what counts."

Macca managed to draw some of that drama with his rivalries with the Germans, but since then there has been nothing.  It was interesting to note that there was more media and general public interest in the men's European Champs race (with the clashes between Harry and Javier) than in all the previous WCS races of the season.