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houdini
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« on: October 17, 2011, 01:14:46 PM »

From your experience if someone wants to go pro is it realistic to think that it can be done while working full time, or are they kidding themselves.

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 04:52:30 PM »

Hey houdini, it has been done in the past and still done today by many.
But it takes serious commitement, supperior time management skills and COMPROMISE!

The one positive though, is that you wont be stressing for prize money or sponsorship.
Like many pro's out there...

So it might give you psychological advantage!

One thing I have heard that worked for a few Olympic medalist in rowing in Canada.
And did myself many years ago.

Is to take some time away from racing triathlon, and ONLY focus on saving up money.
While maintaining some basic fitness.
Then once you have enuff saved up to live for a year or two and just race.
Where prize money/sponsors is simply a bonus and not a necessity, and focus on PERFORMANCE!

This might get you where you want to go more effectively.
Than years of compromising both your proffessions at the same time...
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 01:43:13 AM »

enuff -enough
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 04:00:05 PM »

Geez Terrence, if you're picking apart Matthieu's grammar/spelling, don't read any of Doc's posts!   Roll Eyes  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2011, 03:50:29 AM »

sorry
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2011, 10:32:46 AM »

I don't think its possible....not to get the best out of yourself.  Not in ironman - it is possible in single sports.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2011, 02:04:15 AM »

Slightly at a tangent but if you lookout the results of most races there's a smattering of AGers in the top 10, e.g. 5th place at IM Wales was a full time working athlete. You would probably only be at best equal to their abilities.

Being a working pro means your unlikely to take advantage of a WTC pro license either if entering multiple races, this means you can also rule out Kona, which wouldn't be the case as a top AGer.

So you've got to ask yourself what's the benefit? You'd have a better chance getting sponsorship from local bike shops etc as the best in your class, rather than a 3rd level pro.

Obviously I don't know how good you are, so you may be the exception.

Last point - can't see it being fun being both working full time and trying to be a pro.... I thought you went pro so you didn't have to a "real" job :-P
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2011, 02:26:49 AM »

Its entirely 'possible' to race pro with a full time job.  However I agree with Jodie that you cannot be the best you can be and so there is a compromise.  I guess it comes down to why you would want to race 'pro' with a full time job.  The reason I moved from racing AG to pro was firstly because racing AG had stopped being challenging and I was getting bored/complacent so stepping up to race the best in the world presented a new challenge - yes I don't win as much but I am learning and improving and that in itself is sometimes more satisfying than an 'easy win'.  The other benefit is a paycheck if you place high enough rather than it going down to the next on the list which may potentially lead to the opportunity to reduce work hours and become a 'proper pro' in the future...
Tri is a difficult sport - you cannot make a lot of money out of it.  I would bet that a lot of people racing 'Pro' have some kind of job outside tri; be it part or full time.
Fegan is also correct - its not much fun working full time and trying to race at high level - takes a lot of organization however I can imagine its also not much fun being a full time triathlete wondering where the next paycheck is coming from especially if you get sick/injured....at least if you have a job as Matt says, the pressure is reduced!
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2011, 07:32:36 AM »

i aggree  with you
over 1/2 the pros i know , would be better performers with a part time job .
even some of the bigger names .
but you have to havfe the job that fits flexible hours and travel
but a 4 hr job 4 times a week
would definitely improve many
jodie included .
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2011, 09:32:06 AM »

Curious to know why would part time job be beneficial?
Maybe as a distraction from the sport?
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2011, 09:34:57 AM »

totally
some people can not turn off from the sport after trainnig they think about it every waking moment
this kills them .
there are some who over train as they have too much time on their hands .
there are some that need to have a financial income to take the pressure off having to race for money .
some think this is weakness , its not , i have had athletes win world championship after they restarted part time work .
time on the hands can be a bigger distraction  than actually working or studying .
i have advocated in all feds i have been with stop , taking athletes on camp and providint them with everything including cook ,
its counter productive
having to go shopping for food then preparing 3 meals a day is a very positive thing in the training process
athletes who train then go and sleep , then waited on hand and foot , are killing them srlves or being killed .
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2011, 06:42:16 AM »

 I'm glad I stumbled on this.. I've been in Tri for 3.5 years now. Had good success and mixed it with pros.. I work full(ish) time.. I am in a family business that have backed me to race pro next season. I will be honest, to move up to pro was because I missed out on some decent cash this year and it pissed me off the guy behind got it!..im no craig alexander and i know ill never get to kona as a pro but hey... Such is life!. I cant swim but i can bike with the best and if i say my prayers my run usually comes good!!.Wink but doc is right, to have the distraction of a job is key.. I literally finish a swim, bike or a run and am straight into dealing with customers..(after eating of course!!!)
Love the forum.. Grin
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2011, 02:32:12 AM »

Have a read on this guy!  A legend!  I was telling the doc about the race this morning and I thought fitting for this post..

http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2011/12/ndambiri-with-win-kawauchi-with-wonder.html
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2011, 05:00:44 PM »

Hey Scotty, there is a very nice article in Running Times on this guy.

http://runningtimes.com/Print.aspx?articleID=24166

"People have been telling me, 'You should do more scientific training, you should do altitude training.' I don't do any of that," he says.

"I think common sense and true enjoyment are what's needed. Back when people didn't have as much money they thought about their training and worked hard to get better. At some point technology became more important and they started relying more on scientific training and things like supplements and taping, and maybe they forgot what the important things are.

"Japanese corporate runners watch their weight to within 0.1 kg. I eat whatever I like. I don't do any taping or take supplements. I don't breathe low-oxygen air. I don't wear magnetic necklaces. I guess in that way I'm old-school. I run, I work hard, and I like it. I read up, thought about what I needed to do, and found what works for me."

Recognizing what they have, his employers are willing to give him special time off, but adherence to his work responsibilities is part of Kawauchi's principles. "Nothing has changed in the way I train since Tokyo," he says. "At this level maybe I'd benefit from more flexibility in my schedule, but the way I do things worked, so I should keep doing them that way. I travel to races or somewhere cool to train on weekends and come back in time to work on Monday. There's a long weekend in July, so I'm going to use a paid vacation day to go do four days of training in the mountains."


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